hi i’m lisa terkers welcome to therapy and theology one of my favorite parts of my job at proverbs 31 ministries is doing this podcast specifically this series where we combine therapy really good counseling techniques ideas definitions with solid theology so i’d like to welcome back of course our resident theologian joel mutamale welcome joel thanks lisa and jim kress who is my personal therapist but also i’m just going to say world renowned counselor you not only are a christian counselor but you also have a degree from seminary right dallas

theological cemetery seminary how’s it going that was good so it’s always fun to sit down and process topics that are very relevant to mental health issues spiritual health issues and just general well-being as a human and may i say something real quick i don’t think we’ve done this on any of the therapy and theology videos if we didn’t i want to do this now i remember when you talked i’m sure you’d talk with joel this is very important and you’d said i’ve got an idea and the the title is i think killer therapy and

theology and you said so many people you’re one of the most truly compassionate empathic people i’ve ever met and you said so many people are not going to be able to afford therapy and i want to bring good quality therapy good quality theologian theology and what i love is i bring theology in as do you you bring therapy in and this incredible man brings therapy stuff in all the time you have the vision for people who may not be able to afford it and as we look back now however many shows were in deep on this there is so much good therapy

and good theology i just want to honor that you had that vision to say let’s bring to people who probably will never hear it and i hope they’ll go back and watch these again and again or share them with friends that people are just can’t afford or they have the stigma they won’t go to therapy thank you for your vision that’s what we do here yeah thank you yeah and sometimes it’s that people can’t afford it or they can’t find a counselor in their area that they really connect with or for some people it feels too scary

and so it’s easier to sometimes pull up a podcast and get a taste of what this is which our desire always is if you need further help please connect with the american association of christian counselors aacc i believe is the website and uh find a counselor that you can go to to really process personally but this is a great first step so thank you jim really appreciate it so in our last episode we talked about shame and guilt we talked about the differences we talked about what to listen for um to kind of be aware that you or