it’s really hard in in many ways one there’s just so much negativity and it seems like you can please everyone you have to be willing to be unpopular to make the hard decision and Leadership is based on principle not circumcised get ready to take some good notes this is a good interview with a good man his name is John Gordon let’s welcome him now hey John I’ve been looking forward to this for a long time welcome to the Craig Rochelle leadership podcast Craig great to be with you I’ve been looking forward to this as well I’ve really

appreciated your friendship and and uh you you just inspire me you’ve always got a growth mindset you uh you’re known for positivity which I think is a gift to us in our leadership Community you’re always pushing yourself and asking good questions adding value and so I’m really excited to introduce you to anyone in our community that doesn’t know you and a ton of them are going to be super excited because they do know uh know you love you and follow you and so I want to get a little bit of background before we

dive into some of your kind of areas of expertise and talk about your new book that’s coming out very very soon the one truth master your mindset live with power heal your soul can we go back a little bit John you’ve been known in the leadership field for years and years but when did you first discover uh that you were a leader that you had leadership gifts I can go back to college I was on the Cornell lacrosse team and I wasn’t named a captain either was Mike Levine Mike Levine is now the head of CA sports

with with Howie and so Mike and I were brought into coach’s office and he said hey guys you weren’t named a captain by the team because it was more of a popularity contest because the team voted but I need you guys to lead I see you guys as leaders and I need you to help lead this team and I think it was in that moment that I realized that leadership is not about a title it’s about making a difference making an impact and I don’t think I was the greatest leader at that time but I knew I led by example I was good in leading